Mystery Monday: Orendil

Every Monday we will post an entry that hasn’t yet been published with a view towards harnessing the collective onomastic power of the internet. If you have any thoughts about the name’s origin, other variants it might be related to, other examples of its use, etc., please share them in the comments! If you wish to browse other Mystery Monday names, there is an index.

Orendil

Today’s name would be an excellent addition to a game of “medieval name or Tolkien elf?” — doesn’t “Orendil” sound like he could be a cousin of Elendil’s? It’s a curious name, because the deuterotheme ‘-dil’ is vanishingly rare in our corpus; the only other names we have in our data set that end in this are Seidil and Seydil, two Middle High German diminutives of Sigfrid.

As for Oren-? Well, the only other name we have that begins with that string is another oddity, the feminine French name Orenge. So we’re at a bit of a loss. Have you found the name before? Have any thoughts of its origin? Please share in the comments!

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6 responses to “Mystery Monday: Orendil

  1. Diego Segui

    This one does have a Tolkien connection, since Orendil is one of the various forms of OE earendel from which JRRT created the name of his character Earendil. See Förstemann s.v. AUS > Auriuandal, and the Wikipedia article for Aurvandil for a overview of the standard etymology *auzi-wandilaz “luminous wanderer”.

  2. Jörg Knappen

    Förstemann (1900) gives Aurivandal as the base form and divides it into the themes aur “bright, shining, burning” and vandal “Vandal (tribe)” Grimm sees in the deuterotheme modern German Wandel “change”.

    He adds a longer discussion to this specific name

    Dieser name erweckt schon wegen seiner stellung
    in der nord. mythologie (sogar in der nord. astro-
    nomie) ein besonderes interesse. Ueber ihn handelt
    schon Mone heldensage s. 74. Grimm sucht in ihm
    die bedeutung pfeilwandler; vgl. ags. edrendel stral;
    man denke auch an die altn. schwerternamen auf
    -vandill (dragvandill etc.). Ausfürlich, aber ohne
    sicheres ergebnis für den namen, handelt darüber
    Beer in den beitr. z. gesch. d. dtsch. spr. XIII 21 if.
    Ich wagte in meiner gesch. d. dtsch. sprst. II 186
    an den n. der Vandalen zu erinnern; Aurivandal
    könnte dann einen besondem sonst verschollenen
    zweig derselben bezeichnen, vielleicht sogar mit dem
    Oeresund zusammenhangen. Parallel geht mit ihm
    Kaerwantil (s. GAIRU).

  3. Brian M. Scott

    For more literary references see the Wikipedia article on Horwendill.

    There are also three relevant place-names.

    Codex diplomaticus Fuldensis, ed. Dronke, Nr. 506 has in uilla Orentileshus 837, noted at Förstemann II:157.

    The village Orendelsall is now part of Zweiflingen, whose website offers the following information:

    Ob unter „Sala“, wo um 800 eine Uta ihren Besitz dem Kl. Fulda schenkte, Orendelsall verstanden werden kann, ist unsicher, die erste sichere Nennung ist 1312. Nach der Sage soll im 9. Jahrhundert hier ein Einsiedler Orendel gehaust haben, nach dem der Ort benannt wurde. Wahrscheinlich dürfte Orendelsall im 8. Jahrhundert von Wülfingen aus angelegt worden sein, sein Name vom Bach „Saal“ und obigen PN abgeleitet, lautet 1312 Sant Orendels Salle, 1314 Sante Orendelsalle, 1321 Orendelsalle und seit dem 15. Jahrhundert Orendelsall.

    And 8 km. to the south in Öhringen is the Orendelstein.

  4. margaretschooling

    Hello

    http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/ANGOULEME.htm

    2.*AUDEBERT*[III] (-before Feb 1168). “/Aldebertus comes, filius…Aalmodis comitissæ, frater Bosonis/” confirmed his mother’s donation referred to above by charter dated 7 Apr 1113, witnessed by “/Almodis comitissa mater Aldeberti…/”*[105]* . A charter dated to [1124/29] relating to a dispute between the abbé de Charroux and the abbesse de Fontevrault refers to a previous donation with the consent of “/Almodi comitissa Charofensi ac filius eius Audeberto et Bosone/”*[106]* . The Chronicle of Saint-Maxence records that “/Rotgerio comite/” & his wife had two sons*[107]* .  “/Odo comes/” donated property to Tulle, with the consent of “/fratre meo Aldeberto/”, by charter dated to [1106]*[108]* . *Comte de la Marche*. *m* *ORENGARDE*, daughter of —. The primary source which confirms her marriage has not yet been identified. 1145.  Audebert [III] & his wife had three children:

    http://fmg.ac/Projects/MedLands/AQUITAINE%20NOBILITY.htm#HuguesIXLusignandied1219A

    1.*HUGUES *[IX] *de Lusignan* (-before 16 Mar 1169). “/Ugo de Liziniaco/” renounced rights over “/terram…Ioarena/” in favour of Nouaillé by undated charter, subscribed by “/…Burgundie uxoris sue, Ugonis filii sui, Roberti filii sui, Gaufredi filii sui, Petri filii sui…/”*[359]* .  An undated charter of “/Hugo//de Lesignan filius Burgundiæ/” records to his donation to the abbey of l’Absie with the consent of “/patre meo Ugone Lezigniaci/”*[360]* .  “/Hugues le Brun/” donated property, for the souls of “/sa femme Aurengardis, son fils Hugues, sa fille Ainordis et son frère Geoffroy/”, by charter dated 12 Nov 1166*[361]* .  “/Hugo//Brunus//dominus Lizinniaci/” donated property to the abbey of Bécheron, with the consent of “/Gaufridus frater ipsius, Simon Brunus, Rorgo et Galerandus fratres eius…/”, by charter dated [1167]*[362]* . “/Gaufridus//de Lizigniaco/” donated property to the abbey of l’Absie for the souls of “/fratris mei Hugonis/” with the consent of “/Burgundie matre mea/” dated “/primie die post sepulturam Hugonis fratris mei…1169/”*[363]* . *m* [*firstly*] *ORENGARDE*, daughter of —.  “/Hugues le Brun/” donated property, for the souls of “/sa femme Aurengardis, son fils Hugues, sa fille Ainordis et son frère Geoffroy/”, by charter dated 12 Nov 1166*[364]* .  [*m secondly* [as her first husband,] *DOUCE*, daughter of — (-after 1168).] A charter dated 1168 records a donation of property to the Knights Hospitallers by “/Hugo de Lusignan, Dulcia uxor et Alamanda filia eiusdem/”*[365]* .  This assumes that “/Hugo//de Lusignan/” in this document can be identified with Hugues [IX] de Lusignan. Hugues [IX]’s widow may have married secondly, as his second wife, *Guillaume *[III] *Maingot Seigneur de Surgères* .  This second marriage is suggested by the document, dated (by Delisle) to [1209], under which “/comes Augi/” (Raoul de Lusignan “d’Exoudun” Comte d’Eu, see below) pledged his lands for his homage to Philippe II King of France, and that of “/fratres sui comes Marchie et vicecomes Castri Eraudi/”*[366]* .  Assuming that this document is correctly dated, “/vicecomes Castri Eraudi/” at the time was Hugues de Surgères.  A second marriage of Raoul’s mother would be the only way in which Hugues de Surgères could be correctly called “/frater/” of Hugues [X] de Lusignan and Raoul de Lusignan Comte d’Eu. If Orengarde/Douce can correctly be identified as the [second] wife of Hugues [IX], and mother of Raoul, it is likely that she was heiress of Exoudun which was transmitted to Raoul.] Hugues [IX] & his [first] wife had [two] children:

    I hope this are useful. yours Margaret

    Le 23/07/2018 à 12:19, Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources a écrit : > WordPress.com > Sara L. Uckelman posted: “Every Monday we will post an entry that > hasn’t yet been published with a view towards harnessing the > collective onomastic power of the internet. If you have any thoughts > about the name’s origin, other variants it might be related to, other > examples of its” >

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